Coldfusion just die already

Adrock
#2. December 28th, 2007, at 6:23 PM.

Well, it’s very clear you are completely ignorant on the subject. For the record, ColdFusion has evolved incredibly since it’s launch in 1995. It was completely re-built in 2001 as a J2EE application and today bolsters over a half-million developers worldwide (that even more than Ruby…. and ColdFusion isn’t free!)

* It’s slower then other languages

This is completely wrong. ColdFusion compiles to native Java byte code and is quite fast. It also scales effortlessly and powers some of the largest sites in the world. ColdFusion is nothing more than a J2EE applcation, so it’s _speed_ is equivalent to the app serer its deployed on (WebSpehere, OracleAS, WebLogic, JBoss, etc).

* It uses markup tags similar to html for server side programming

ColdFusion offers a tag based syntax as well as a script based syntax. As the very first web application server on the market, ColdFusion was the base for ASP, JSP and PHP.

* Doing basic OOP is hard, MVC is even harder.

I’m guessing even in 2001 you didn’t really understand ColdFusion. ColdFusion is a hybrid between procedural and OO, taking the best from both worlds. There are several popular open-source frameworks available for ColdFusion to implement OO and MVC patterns. Event-driven frameworks like Model-Glue and Mach-ii, ORM solutions (ala Hibernate) like Transfer, and even a port of the Java Spring library for IoC (ColdFspring).

* Expensive, even Microsoft doesn’t charge for ASP.NET

Tricked again by Microsoft eh? It’s a lot more expensive to buy Visual Studio or an MSDN subscripting for _each_ developer then it is to buy one single license of ColdFusion. With ColdFusion, you are paying for productivity and integration and the saving come back at enormous.

* Not Open Source, compared to Ruby or PHP or even .NET’s new view source license.

ColdFusion bundles several open source and 3rd party application to increase productivity and simplify integration. It’s fully featured out of the box.

* Turned POST, GET, & FORM upside down. They use these keywords in the complete opposite of anyone else.

I don’t even know what your talking about here. There is no POST or GET keyword in ColdFusion and the FORM scope references any thing that have been posted via an HTTP POST (which is commonly submitted by a form)

Denis The SQL Menace
#3. December 28th, 2007, at 8:13 PM.

>> It’s a lot more expensive to buy Visual Studio or an MSDN subscripting for _each_ developer then it is to buy one single license of ColdFusion

That is like saying that you need JBuilder to develop Java apps

Mmmm yes it is more expensive but you do not need Visual Studio or MSDN to develop ASP.NET apps. You can do it in notepad or csharpdevelop or visual studio express (which is free). Download the SDK and you are set, however it is of course much easier to use VS

Simon
#5. December 29th, 2007, at 6:27 AM.

Put it this way… If someone gave both of us a scope for developing a web application… as a CF developer I would SMOKE you! I just paid for ColdFusion 8 for my server that I collocate and I can honestly tell you that it was a weekends’ worth of developing to pay for it in full.

Brennen
#7. February 4th, 2008, at 7:20 PM.

I agree with you completly, ColdFusion does suck! Actually I think all server side technology sucks, I think everything can be done with HTML and flaming skulls! (Check out my site).

RF
#9. February 7th, 2008, at 4:17 AM.

Adobe is a far better company than Microsoft; With Flex and Air Coldfusion is another great product that tons of organizations are using.

CfUser
#10. March 3rd, 2008, at 10:41 PM.

Wow! Why the hate bro? Have a bad day?

Hope your friend ignored your “expert advice”. I would suggest he check out the forums at Adobe. http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/

Here’s some more links for all you “experts”
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm
http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.category&id=1

Your comments regarding “Post, Form, and Get” make no sense?

BTW, Coldfusion compiles into Java, which made your list of things that don’t suck.

Good luck shilling for microsoft as part of the Lounge.

Achiles
#12. July 7th, 2010, at 10:37 PM.

I love responding to 3 year-old posts

>> 1) Coldfusion isn’t standardized and not open source, I understand
>> some 3rd party components, but come on.

Now it is more open-source than any other language in the world with TWO separate open-source implementations: Railo (getrailo.org) and OpenBD (openbluedragon.org)

>> 2) Expensive, Denis nailed this one

Not any more, and anyways if you did code in notepad rather than BUYING visual studio, it would cost you exponentially more in lost productivity. Sticker Price != Cost

>> 3) Markup Tags. There is a reason ASP was deprecated. No language
>> has taken the extreme tag usage that coldfusion has. (for a reason)

Ummm, HTML? The foundation of the web. Coldfusion using an xml-like structure actually makes for the most intuitive and readable code of any language I’ve used because it integrates so cleanly with html.

>> 4) Coldfusion was designed for web designers to create db driven
>> applications. It shows too, they tried to make it OOP but it wasn’t
>> initially designed that way (not that it can’t be done).

And? Since when is academic OOP a synonym for good? Coldfusion is also a dynamic language, with no need to declare types - do you also hate that because it wasn’t in your coding 101 class? For small and medium-sized applications, people are actually finding that OO adds a ton of unnecessary cruft and complexity. There is a big movement brewing in that direction. In any case, it can be very OO if you want it to be.

>> 5) It compiles down to java byte code, why not use Java?
>> Abstraction upon abstraction is bad

Good point, I think I’ll do that! Come to think about it, Java itself is nothing but an abstraction! C++ is the smart way to go. Wait, what am I talking about, C++ doesn’t give you direct access to registers in ram, it’s nothing but another abstraction! We need go real pure and just do it in Assembler. We’ll roll our own TCP/IP stacks, of course, because the publicly available ones are riddled with abstraction - same for the file-system api’s, do you have any idea how much abstraction those house! It’s like a nightmare. Anyways, we’ll start a company doing this, and our catch line will be “Delivering today’s apps 5 years from now.”

>> 6) Variables coming from POST are Stored in something similiar to
>> super globals array in PHP, in CFML they are called FORM, while
>> those coming from GET are called URL. This would make it harder
>> for developers to learn standard terminology, and what kills me is
>> that they forgot that you can have your forms method as GET,
>> which would end up having variables coming from your form stored
>> in the URL struct.

Wait, wait, wait, slow down for a sec, I don’t get it. Are you saying that POST variables end up in a FORM structure, and GET variables (regardless of their source) end up in a URL structure!!? I DON’T UNDERSTAND! WHAT DO YOU MEAN POST = FORM and GET = URL… STOP THE MADNESS!!! IT’S TOO HARD! If I had a triple PHD to understand this I wouldn’t be writing web apps!

Thank you.

Nasir
#13. January 29th, 2011, at 9:13 PM.

@Achilies

I dont understand the point of using CF, its not actually faster, if you are a true developper you would understand what OPENSOURCE MEANS. It takes 1298320198301283 lines of code to write a damn “Hello World” script in CF, IT WAS NOT MENT FOR OOP get your head out of your ass…

and yes the GET POST URL are reversed for some stupid reason no one knows why..

Why learn such a garbage language? Just go PHP.

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#18. May 18th, 2011, at 2:51 PM.

Don’t forget learning curve. CF is a far easier language to learn and transition to. Many HTML only designers go to CF because it is tag based and easy to learn. In addition, java developers can pick it up pretty quick because it is both like JSP and CFScript helps transitioning..

I find it humors how touchy this subject is. For those of you that say CF sucks, that is just dumb. It doesn’t suck, it just is a different breed. All the server side languages do just about the same thing.. Just in a different way.

I can easily says PHP sucks, why do i have to go though so much hoopla just to send out a damn email?

peace.

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#23. August 30th, 2011, at 7:48 PM.

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Egbert O’Foo
#24. November 8th, 2011, at 8:04 PM.

Unfortunately, the nightmare remains even at this late date.

Here, though, I have a Dream Job(TM). I was hired to eliminate CFML
in favor of PHP.

The only problem … I had to learn CFML in order to get by long enough
to get the stuff converted (which is still an ongoing project).

As a result, I feel like Sir Galahad after a romp with a dirty street
trollop.

But I shall emerge victorious!

Michael Schoonover
#25. January 13th, 2012, at 5:02 PM.

I am a Software Architect with over 20 years programming experience. I’ve worked with several web technologies, including, most recently, ColdFusion 9.

Hands down, ColdFusion is the absolute worst programming language I’ve ever worked with, and that list includes COBOL. There are many other alternatives that are MUCH easier and cleaner to program and maintain, that run FASTER and take less system resources, are easier to debug, and that follow established best practices. Why anyone in their right mind would chose ColdFusion over these other technologies astounds me.

ColdFusion is an abomination before the Lord (or programming).