Comments on: Coldfusion just die already http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:00:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Micahel Skinner http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-89732 Micahel Skinner Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:51:17 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-89732 ColdFusion is an excellent programming platform for a specific need, flat web sites and shopping carts - that’s it period. It is not flexible and maintainable for large scale enterprise applications. Some managers feet that any one can learn it in a fairly sort time that that they will get a quick ROI on it. Don’t buy into it. It will fail and you will have egg on your face. ColdFusion is an excellent programming platform for a specific need, flat web sites and shopping carts - that’s it period. It is not flexible and maintainable for large scale enterprise applications. Some managers feet that any one can learn it in a fairly sort time that that they will get a quick ROI on it. Don’t buy into it. It will fail and you will have egg on your face.

]]> By: Tim http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-88381 Tim Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:13:59 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-88381 @14 - Great points Wang @14 - Great points Wang

]]> By: Wang http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-88379 Wang Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:53:11 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-88379 Coldfusion is very popular with associations because it's very easy for their webmasters to pick up and learn. The tag based language is very comforting for someone who already is familiar with HTML. People always like to knock CF because it's not free like ASP or PHP, but for an association, paying $1299 for a standard license is nothing. They just want something nice and easy. They probably only have a webmaster/editor and maybe an assistant. They're not looking to hire a programmer, which would end up costing a whole lot more than $1299. So it does have its niche in the world. I remember when the WWW was just taking off--everybody and his brother was suddenly a webmaster. And a lot of graphic designers thumbed their noses at them because they weren't "real" professionals. Because CFML is very easy to pick up, we had the same influx of wannabe developers. Coldfusion is very popular with associations because it’s very easy for their webmasters to pick up and learn. The tag based language is very comforting for someone who already is familiar with HTML. People always like to knock CF because it’s not free like ASP or PHP, but for an association, paying $1299 for a standard license is nothing. They just want something nice and easy. They probably only have a webmaster/editor and maybe an assistant. They’re not looking to hire a programmer, which would end up costing a whole lot more than $1299. So it does have its niche in the world.

I remember when the WWW was just taking off–everybody and his brother was suddenly a webmaster. And a lot of graphic designers thumbed their noses at them because they weren’t “real” professionals. Because CFML is very easy to pick up, we had the same influx of wannabe developers.

]]> By: Tim http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-87703 Tim Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:23:35 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-87703 @12 - Good points, if you have a room of CF developers then of course go that route, but I wouldn't advocate starting new projects in CF and by the loss in popularity of CF, I think I'm winning this argument ;) @12 - Good points, if you have a room of CF developers then of course go that route, but I wouldn’t advocate starting new projects in CF and by the loss in popularity of CF, I think I’m winning this argument ;)

]]> By: CF Guy since 1999 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-87654 CF Guy since 1999 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:56:05 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-87654 Another perspective... http://www.techpluto.com/coldfusion-over-php/ My questions: Are people more 'jealous of' or 'ignorant about' ColdFusion? If I took over a .NET ASP server/application I would be lost and say it sucks too... until I understood it... then I would really know it sucks. (hahaha) CF can be whatever the developer wants... a markup language, a hard core scripting language or somewhere in between. I started writing APS in CF using only the markup tags but as time went on I started doing more of a mixture... markup for rapid development and ease of reading/following code... and more complexed scripting etc. for intensive operations. For anyone that has used anything else CF should be a blessing when they run into it... Learn it (it's not too difficult)... embrace it... if you have beed taking 40 hours to develop an app... try it in 20 hours with CF and then compare the 2 and tell me it was worth twice the amout of your tme. Lastly, boo fricken hooo... $1000 - maybe that will weed out some of the cheep ass self proclaimed (use nothing but freeware) developers. There's too many of those in this business. my 2 cents... Another perspective…

http://www.techpluto.com/coldfusion-over-php/

My questions: Are people more ‘jealous of’ or ‘ignorant about’ ColdFusion?

If I took over a .NET ASP server/application I would be lost and say it sucks too… until I understood it… then I would really know it sucks. (hahaha)

CF can be whatever the developer wants… a markup language, a hard core scripting language or somewhere in between. I started writing APS in CF using only the markup tags but as time went on I started doing more of a mixture… markup for rapid development and ease of reading/following code… and more complexed scripting etc. for intensive operations.

For anyone that has used anything else CF should be a blessing when they run into it… Learn it (it’s not too difficult)… embrace it… if you have beed taking 40 hours to develop an app… try it in 20 hours with CF and then compare the 2 and tell me it was worth twice the amout of your tme.

Lastly, boo fricken hooo… $1000 - maybe that will weed out some of the cheep ass self proclaimed (use nothing but freeware) developers. There’s too many of those in this business.

my 2 cents…

]]> By: Tim http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-65769 Tim Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:02:27 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-65769 #10, Had "one" of those days ;). Just not a CF fan but I totally understand that people who do it everyday get up in arms. Yes, I know it compiles down to java byte code. #10,
Had “one” of those days ;). Just not a CF fan but I totally understand that people who do it everyday get up in arms. Yes, I know it compiles down to java byte code.

]]> By: CfUser http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-65754 CfUser Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:41:00 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-65754 Wow! Why the hate bro? Have a bad day? Hope your friend ignored your "expert advice". I would suggest he check out the forums at Adobe. http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/ Here's some more links for all you "experts" http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.category&id=1 Your comments regarding "Post, Form, and Get" make no sense? BTW, Coldfusion compiles into Java, which made your list of things that don't suck. Good luck shilling for microsoft as part of the Lounge. Wow! Why the hate bro? Have a bad day?

Hope your friend ignored your “expert advice”. I would suggest he check out the forums at Adobe. http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/

Here’s some more links for all you “experts”
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm
http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.category&id=1

Your comments regarding “Post, Form, and Get” make no sense?

BTW, Coldfusion compiles into Java, which made your list of things that don’t suck.

Good luck shilling for microsoft as part of the Lounge.

]]> By: RF http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-62099 RF Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:17:15 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-62099 Adobe is a far better company than Microsoft; With Flex and Air Coldfusion is another great product that tons of organizations are using. Adobe is a far better company than Microsoft; With Flex and Air Coldfusion is another great product that tons of organizations are using.

]]> By: Tim http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-61944 Tim Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:26:19 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-61944 Brennen, Wow, that is some site you have ;) Brennen,
Wow, that is some site you have ;)

]]> By: Brennen http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-61943 Brennen Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:20:56 +0000 http://www.techtoolblog.com/archives/coldfusion-just-die-already#comment-61943 I agree with you completly, ColdFusion does suck! Actually I think all server side technology sucks, I think everything can be done with HTML and flaming skulls! (Check out my site). I agree with you completly, ColdFusion does suck! Actually I think all server side technology sucks, I think everything can be done with HTML and flaming skulls! (Check out my site).

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