Coldfusion just die already

Adrock
#2. December 28th, 2007, at 6:23 PM.

Well, it’s very clear you are completely ignorant on the subject. For the record, ColdFusion has evolved incredibly since it’s launch in 1995. It was completely re-built in 2001 as a J2EE application and today bolsters over a half-million developers worldwide (that even more than Ruby…. and ColdFusion isn’t free!)

* It’s slower then other languages

This is completely wrong. ColdFusion compiles to native Java byte code and is quite fast. It also scales effortlessly and powers some of the largest sites in the world. ColdFusion is nothing more than a J2EE applcation, so it’s _speed_ is equivalent to the app serer its deployed on (WebSpehere, OracleAS, WebLogic, JBoss, etc).

* It uses markup tags similar to html for server side programming

ColdFusion offers a tag based syntax as well as a script based syntax. As the very first web application server on the market, ColdFusion was the base for ASP, JSP and PHP.

* Doing basic OOP is hard, MVC is even harder.

I’m guessing even in 2001 you didn’t really understand ColdFusion. ColdFusion is a hybrid between procedural and OO, taking the best from both worlds. There are several popular open-source frameworks available for ColdFusion to implement OO and MVC patterns. Event-driven frameworks like Model-Glue and Mach-ii, ORM solutions (ala Hibernate) like Transfer, and even a port of the Java Spring library for IoC (ColdFspring).

* Expensive, even Microsoft doesn’t charge for ASP.NET

Tricked again by Microsoft eh? It’s a lot more expensive to buy Visual Studio or an MSDN subscripting for _each_ developer then it is to buy one single license of ColdFusion. With ColdFusion, you are paying for productivity and integration and the saving come back at enormous.

* Not Open Source, compared to Ruby or PHP or even .NET’s new view source license.

ColdFusion bundles several open source and 3rd party application to increase productivity and simplify integration. It’s fully featured out of the box.

* Turned POST, GET, & FORM upside down. They use these keywords in the complete opposite of anyone else.

I don’t even know what your talking about here. There is no POST or GET keyword in ColdFusion and the FORM scope references any thing that have been posted via an HTTP POST (which is commonly submitted by a form)

Denis The SQL Menace
#3. December 28th, 2007, at 8:13 PM.

>> It’s a lot more expensive to buy Visual Studio or an MSDN subscripting for _each_ developer then it is to buy one single license of ColdFusion

That is like saying that you need JBuilder to develop Java apps

Mmmm yes it is more expensive but you do not need Visual Studio or MSDN to develop ASP.NET apps. You can do it in notepad or csharpdevelop or visual studio express (which is free). Download the SDK and you are set, however it is of course much easier to use VS

Simon
#5. December 29th, 2007, at 6:27 AM.

Put it this way… If someone gave both of us a scope for developing a web application… as a CF developer I would SMOKE you! I just paid for ColdFusion 8 for my server that I collocate and I can honestly tell you that it was a weekends’ worth of developing to pay for it in full.

Brennen
#7. February 4th, 2008, at 7:20 PM.

I agree with you completly, ColdFusion does suck! Actually I think all server side technology sucks, I think everything can be done with HTML and flaming skulls! (Check out my site).

RF
#9. February 7th, 2008, at 4:17 AM.

Adobe is a far better company than Microsoft; With Flex and Air Coldfusion is another great product that tons of organizations are using.

CfUser
#10. March 3rd, 2008, at 10:41 PM.

Wow! Why the hate bro? Have a bad day?

Hope your friend ignored your “expert advice”. I would suggest he check out the forums at Adobe. http://www.adobe.com/support/forums/

Here’s some more links for all you “experts”
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm
http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.category&id=1

Your comments regarding “Post, Form, and Get” make no sense?

BTW, Coldfusion compiles into Java, which made your list of things that don’t suck.

Good luck shilling for microsoft as part of the Lounge.

CF Guy since 1999
#12. September 10th, 2008, at 9:56 PM.

Another perspective…

http://www.techpluto.com/coldfusion-over-php/

My questions: Are people more ‘jealous of’ or ‘ignorant about’ ColdFusion?

If I took over a .NET ASP server/application I would be lost and say it sucks too… until I understood it… then I would really know it sucks. (hahaha)

CF can be whatever the developer wants… a markup language, a hard core scripting language or somewhere in between. I started writing APS in CF using only the markup tags but as time went on I started doing more of a mixture… markup for rapid development and ease of reading/following code… and more complexed scripting etc. for intensive operations.

For anyone that has used anything else CF should be a blessing when they run into it… Learn it (it’s not too difficult)… embrace it… if you have beed taking 40 hours to develop an app… try it in 20 hours with CF and then compare the 2 and tell me it was worth twice the amout of your tme.

Lastly, boo fricken hooo… $1000 - maybe that will weed out some of the cheep ass self proclaimed (use nothing but freeware) developers. There’s too many of those in this business.

my 2 cents…

Wang
#14. September 25th, 2008, at 3:53 PM.

Coldfusion is very popular with associations because it’s very easy for their webmasters to pick up and learn. The tag based language is very comforting for someone who already is familiar with HTML. People always like to knock CF because it’s not free like ASP or PHP, but for an association, paying $1299 for a standard license is nothing. They just want something nice and easy. They probably only have a webmaster/editor and maybe an assistant. They’re not looking to hire a programmer, which would end up costing a whole lot more than $1299. So it does have its niche in the world.

I remember when the WWW was just taking off–everybody and his brother was suddenly a webmaster. And a lot of graphic designers thumbed their noses at them because they weren’t “real” professionals. Because CFML is very easy to pick up, we had the same influx of wannabe developers.

Tim
#15. September 25th, 2008, at 4:13 PM.

@14 - Great points Wang

Micahel Skinner
#16. November 7th, 2008, at 3:51 PM.

ColdFusion is an excellent programming platform for a specific need, flat web sites and shopping carts - that’s it period. It is not flexible and maintainable for large scale enterprise applications. Some managers feet that any one can learn it in a fairly sort time that that they will get a quick ROI on it. Don’t buy into it. It will fail and you will have egg on your face.